These must be 2.8 versions if you still have the dongle, right? You could try trashing the Waves Preference file and the DAE Preference folder. That sometimes clears up these kinds of things. The other thing that can happen, is that when you first load Waves, and tell the Waveshell where your plugin folder is, one of the boxes is marked "use Audiosuite only". If you have accidentally checked that box, you'll only get the A/S versions, not the RTAS versions. Trashing the prefs above should give you that window again so you can ensure the A/S box is NOT checked. Other than that, you should call Waves tech support and explain the problem to them. Make sure you have your dongle's serial number and that you've registered your products. Otherwise, they ask you to do that first. [This message has been edited by lwilliam (edited November 06, 2000).]