theddodger (ok..me adopting my cokney persona n coming out of retd puter engr...lol. why i went into the puter biz in 69 i'll never know. twas a scottie picked me in london from a zilion grads. i musta been mad. shoulda stayed in my first loves , mad rok bands n singing in cathedral.) cheers mate from the old limey. tried all that. n bought the chish n fips. got browned off n went "up the apples n pears". cos to quote benny hill "a womans needs are MANifold"..lol. will av another bash again. (jeesh, eres me born a cokney, n been in canada soo long i'm forgettin it all. ) btw , on the london town is crying song. wrote that when me dad died. still makes me cry. cheers.