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RidinLow

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after reading that thread I thought this might be of interest as a new thread... I just read an article about mid/side, , so I spent some time this past weekend listening and comparing the mid and side versions of all kinds of recordings, new and old. wow! I learned a lot. I heard good and bad stuff. here's one example: below are 3 snips from Heart's Crazy On You, the intro, chorus and the ending of the song. there is some weird shit going on in the side versions -- -- -- -- -- -- maybe someone like pipelineaudio can explain what the ME did wrong

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Message # 1 28.12.20 - 00:23:14
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ELO's Mr. Blue Sky was really interesting, in a good way Madonna's Take A Bow was cool too. it has a really wide elec piano and other neat stuff going on in the side version I can post snips of these if anyone gets interested in this thread one more thing, I forgot this is the tips forum...again, if anyone gets interested we can get into the hows of mid/side

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Message # 2 28.12.20 - 00:34:32
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I'm interested in this concept too. Just tried it on one of my tunes (separating mid from side)and the result, while not unexpected, was interesting and the possibilities of EQ from this perspective are intriguing..

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Message # 3 28.12.20 - 00:43:22
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What is the weird shit you are referring to? If you are referring to the "gurgliness" of it, that is an artifact from the SIDE channel being decoded from an MP3 source, instead of a lossless source. Try SIDE decoding original material, or non-lossy material. The SIDE channel is effecively the L-R channel, anything that is %100 in phase on both channels (a direct center vocal for example) will not come out here. You can find all sorts of weirdness buried in the side channel. I remember i had a CD that if you played it in the SIDE channel, there was this one spot that went ZZZZZTT! (Likely a bad scratch or digital noise) that was barely perceptable in the stereo speakers, but in my L-R speaker, was very very loud. I started to master a project using MID/SIDE and I found it way too easy to to abuse it! Be careful not to let mid or side channels even get near to clip (-6 dB max on each!) otherwise you're screwed.

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Message # 4 28.12.20 - 00:52:24
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ELO's Mr. Blue Sky snip -- -- -- the sonic quality of ELO's records is pretty unique to me, esp the vocals. Of the records i've listened to this way so far none spread the vocals like ELO. They sound huge in stereo even though the ambience is pretty small sure there's more to the big sound... mid/side listening is a great way to see how people mix one more thing, note how the falsetto "so long" is mixed dead center and sounds a lot smaller than the other entries which are all spread. cool how it's the only one not spread

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Message # 5 28.12.20 - 00:56:26
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*DONT* encode it. rip it as WAV (lossless). there's a program called cdex that'll do that. most mp3 encoders use joint-stereo (M/S) and are adaptive depending on how much stuff is in the S channel. most encoders will try and encode the M channel with the most detail.

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Message # 6 28.12.20 - 01:07:16
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This is pretty interesting, but I'm not sure I understand completely. I read through the article once and I even tried listening to a couple .wav versions from a couple songs in my music library, but I haven't come across anything particularly useful. I've instead come up with a rather strange version of a song that is clearly now out of phase. Would someone care to explain?

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Message # 7 28.12.20 - 01:15:22
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To me, it just sounds like there's some heavy flanging going on with the side track. The mid track sounds clean and natural, but there's some big-time flanging on the side track. Is that a result of the mid/side method? Don't know, since I've never recorded that way. Is it the result of some cocaine induced, 70's recording session? Could be... Who knows! I'm guessing keep the mid channel clean and natural, and hit the side channel with some wicked flange effect. FWIW...ANdy

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Message # 8 28.12.20 - 01:24:51
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Whoa, thats great! You totally had it Mr. Data, I just flipped the master track to mono and it did exactly as you described. Thanks for a great distraction for the rest of today.

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Message # 9 28.12.20 - 01:29:22
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